Suriana: Founder of Lyvia

ANGIN Women’s Spotlight series seeks to showcase a diverse array of inspiring women leaders and their stories and experiences in order to shed light on the unique experiences of women in business. We hope that both men and women can gain from these shared experiences, that these stories can inspire change, and that other young girls are motivated to become leaders as well.

Tell us a bit about yourself.

I’m Suriana from Lyvia. We make a variety of fish-based specialty sambal from Manado. Not only do we make sambal, but also abon (fish floss), which we sell in supermarkets such as Carrefour, Indomart, local supermarkets as well as souvenir shops.

What made you start this business?

I used to be a housewife, but saw that in Manado there is a need to create jobs for women. We try to make products in fish processing because there is such an abundance of fish in Manado. Most of our workers are housewives because their husbands’ salary is not enough; they usually help the family business with work. At the moment we have three workers, including myself, making sambal in the house.

What challenges do you see in women’s society in your area?

Most women are left by their husbands, and some have do not have a job. We want to empower them to make money. In most cases the husband’s salary is not enough for their lifestyles, so they work. For my future mission, I want to open a gift shop. We want to empower mothers to be able to produce their own products and sell in the store. That’s my mission ahead.

What are some fundraising obstacles you’ve faced?

Because we spend most of our money on renting the workplace, I have difficulties with financing the main production. Some of my friends also want to help with production, but have limited time so only help with what they can. I hope to increase production, but also need to prioritize fundraising.

Have you been running for a long time?

It’s been four years. We’ve been in operation since 2014, but at that time monthly sales were only at most 20-30 bottles. Now in 2018, we sell 1000 bottles per month. We want to raise our target again and expand our marketing network. The only constraint for us is our size. At the moment, we are still small-scale, although we have worked with the team at Alibaba. One of our obstacles is that we don’t have a BPOM license. Applying to BPOM is very expensive, and you must have a kitchen dedicated solely to production. As a result, the production kitchen and private kitchen needs to be differentiated. So our production is still conducted in my house — a kind of home industry.

What aspects do you feel you need help?

We want coaching for how we can prepare our products to reach the international market. In addition, our packaging is not yet refined to compete with international brands.

As a woman entrepreneur, do you face specific challenges in developing your enterprise?

Yes certainly, because our model is limited and I am solely in charge of managing the business. Besides being helped by one or two people, we have limited time for production. We must seek funding for both the production machinery and for a production factory.

Why is the empowerment of women important to you?

An example are a few of my friends; they are unmotivated and confused about what to do with their time. I started this business to help them become more productive and not feel burdened by their various problems. I want to teach them how we as women and housewives can be productive and engage in wage work while still taking care of the house.

 

Dwi Siti Sundari: Co-Founder of D’Harvest

ANGIN Women’s Spotlight series seeks to showcase a diverse array of inspiring women leaders and their stories and experiences in order to shed light on the unique experiences of women in business. We hope that both men and women can gain from these shared experiences, that these stories can inspire change, and that other young girls are motivated to become leaders as well.

Tell us a bit about yourself.

My name is Dwi Siti Sundari and I am the co-founder of D’Harvest, along with my husband. My business has been engaged in local snacks for about 3 years in the Tomohon area, in North Sulawesi. We utilize local crops such as goroho bananas that is available only in Sulawesi and develop them into banana chips that have a longer shelf life. We also produce snacks made of sweet potatoes, corn and beans for local souvenirs.

Do you have a plantation, too?

I do not, but there are an abundance of bananas in this region, so I had a thought: if we sell bananas as raw materials, it will have a low value and low shelf life, but if it’s a processed bananas, it has up to 6 months of shelf life. We are mostly housewives, so we work as a collective to process these bananas in our respective kitchen, then we will gather together to do the packaging process. We do this in our leisure time, after we are done taking care of our households.

What was your previous work, and what made you want to start this business?

Previously I worked full time at church while looking to hone my skills. I used to just be in the kitchen as a housewife, baking, and so on. We take orders for small events, as well as larger ones for Christmas or other special events. Then I started to sell my products, but with business development services from the government, I ventured to develop the products, apply for P-IRT (food production licensing), so that my products could be marketed to supermarkets and modern markets.

What kind of challenges did you encounter on your entrepreneurial journey?

We have so many requests (for the products). The ability to fulfill the demand is sometimes lacking because we do not have the proper technology and machinery. Up until now, we only used manual equipment. Someone offered us to supply our products in Maluku and Papua regions, but we were not able to take the chance as we lack labour and machinery inputs,  even after our neighbors came and helped us.

There is high demand, but many of our orders cannot be fulfilled because our equipment remains manual. So, on average we sell 15 or 20 units. It is not a large sum, because we are limited in terms of production and marketing.

Have you tried to take a loan from the bank?

We’ve never before gotten funds from banks because there are many requirements and constraints, and so we have not thought about getting it from there. I don’t think I can afford to qualify; when there is a guarantee we have the money, but it is difficult to gain the necessary permission that sometimes makes it difficult for us.

Besides fundraising, what other needs does your company face?

More on the business development services, especially in technical skills. We want to grow bigger so that we can employ more people, and thus develop newer and bigger food ideas. However, we need knowledge and training — not just capital.

How is the issue of women’s empowerment important to you?

Currently, I listen to a lot of women, including my own employees. If they do not work and earn money, their household incomes are not enough — their husbands are away, working as drivers or manual laborers. The women have to find additional incomes for their children’s school fees. They cannot even afford their own needs if they do not have jobs. On the other hand, they do not qualify for most jobs like clerk jobs or storekeepers due to age restrictions.

It is because of what I see around me that I want to help. I do so by giving knowledge; in addition to cultivation, we provide craft lessons so that even if a woman is still living at home, she can still receive a little salary and be productive.

 

Vanessa Hendriadi Li: CEO & Co-Founder of Go-Rework Coworking Space

Tell us a bit about yourself.

I’m Vanessa Hendriadi Li, and I’m CEO and co-founder of Go-Rework Coworking Space.

You’ve had extensive experience working in IT, marketing, finance and you also have a background in chemical engineering. How did you come to starting your own co-working space?

Even though I have a technical background, I have always loved connecting with people and connecting people together as well. Ever since I was a teenager, I have been passionately involved in different student organizations, something which I carried towards my adult life. Even outside of work and business school, I found myself either being involved in different clubs or even starting one. So I have a huge passion for community building.

On the professional side, when I came back to Indonesia, I was in charge of the market expansion of my family business back then. Part of it was finding real estates, finding new locations, understanding markets in a new location as well. So, because of that, I found that building a co-working space and platform is a great combination of both my knowledge and expertise, my experience in real estate and my passion for community building. When I started Rework, I found that is what I really wanted to do and is what I am passionate about.

Co-working spaces in Jakarta are really starting to boom. Just recently, Rework merged with GoWork to become Go-Rework – are co-working spaces the future of work?

In a lot of mature markets, you see that more and more companies, not just startups, but also corporates are embracing this new working environment. Because technology has changed everything – the way we live, and the way we work. I remember even a decade ago, when I was living in the States, more than 95% of people do the 9-5 and when they come home from work, that was it. These days when we wake up, we check our WhatsApp, we check our emails, and our social media. Everywhere we go, when we are stuck in traffic or whatnot, we are able to work almost anywhere and at anytime. The fact that vast majority of work spaces look the same as they did decades ago is really screaming for disruption. So I believe that this is how people will work in the near future. Co-working spaces will enhance collaboration, it enhances learning and networking, and integrates more live and play. So that is what we are trying to build in Indonesia.

In terms of the startup ecosystem in Indonesia, where do you see it going in the next 10 years?

I think startups are growing very rapidly in Indonesia. The growth of SMEs in Indonesia is the largest and fastest-growing in the Southeast Asian region. The timing as well is great because right now more than 70% of people are in the workforce (below 35 years ago) which means that in the next decade most of them will be in the workforce. Technology adoption is getting much easier and faster. My husband used to work in China for 6 years and we moved back to Indonesia 5 years ago. When we got here, he realized that Indonesia is just like China when he arrived. I think the demographic and profile is very similar in terms of the size of the market and also the fast adoption of the internet. So I think that the growth of startups will still continue, now we just need to ensure that the quality is there. Education is very important to ensuring the country gives birth to great quality companies.

In terms of being a woman in this startup space, have you encountered any obstacles in your career?

I think my biggest challenge now is time. It’s about balancing work and family, especially being a mother of two young children. I have a 4.5 and 3 year old, and I don’t feel like I spend enough time with them. I don’t know if they share the same feelings, but I wish I could spend more time with them. I see many startup founders who are still quite young and possibly single with no kids, but I also have the advantage of experience. Because I have a lot more limited time, I’m forced to be creative and learn how to prioritise things well. That’s my challenge in being a woman entrepreneur.

In terms of challenges in the market, I think it’s more of a benefit than barrier at least in my experience, as there aren’t as many female entrepreneurs. It’s about proving to yourself that you can do everything, and believing that being a woman is not a limitation. Then, people will start to notice, and the market will start to notice you.

Women tend to have a slightly stronger ability to read people and understand feelings by connecting with people, not just on the head but also on the heart. So even dealing with my team, I spend a lot of time with them not only in trying to reach targets but I also put a lot of time and understanding into coaching my team members. I think that’s very important. As a founder, not spending enough time communicating with your team, is one of the culprits of not being able to grow sustainably because I believe that it’s the people in the team that creates the business and grows the company.

Does being a leader come naturally to you?

Like I said, I love connecting with people, because of my interests and because of my belief that everyone is interesting and has a story to tell. So I like to coach my team, of course I have to balance my time as well – with fundraising, with deliveries that we need to present to investors, as well as the recent merge. We have an aggressive plan ahead for the company, however balancing that with good team communication is crucial.

If you could tell young entrepreneurs one piece of advice what would it be?

Don’t be afraid to chase your dream. I think we tend to be very hard on ourselves, at least I am a lot of the time, but to me making progress everyday gives me so much happiness. So it doesn’t have to be a leap, doesn’t even have to be a significant achievement everyday –  as long as you move forward everyday. Part of it is being comfortable with uncertainties. We live in a world where nothing is certain, so be comfortable with that and don’t be afraid to chase your dreams.

 

Pravitasari: Co-founder of TuneMap

ANGIN Women’s Spotlight series seeks to showcase a diverse array of inspiring women leaders and their stories and experiences in order to shed light on the unique experiences of women in business. We hope that both men and women can gain from these shared experiences, that these stories can inspire change, and that other young girls are motivated to become leaders as well.

Tell us a bit about yourself.

My name is Pravitasari, and I am working on an application called TuneMap which is a GPS navigation app for visually impaired people who live in the city. We use crowdsourcing sites to connect visually impaired people with sighted pedestrians who will provide information about road conditions. Our aim is to empower the visually impaired community by creating safer roads to walk in, so they can lead a productive life and access proper facilities within the city. It’s about creating equal opportunity.

What was your background previously and how did the idea come about for TuneMap?

Firstly, I am an avid pedestrian who likes to walk a lot. As a sighted person, I feel uncomfortable walking on the existing pavements in Indonesia. At university I also studied psychology, which helped me better empathise with people who are different from me. If walking around the city was not accessible to sighted people, what would it be like for people who cannot see?

So I created Tunemap and tried to get it up and running with the support of some friends. We entered a UNDP competition, and through that, we were lucky enough to get connected with the largest visually impaired community in Indonesia who we work closely with in developing this project. We also work with UN volunteers in Indonesia who connect us with Indorelawan and also with the Ministry of Youth and Sports (MENPORA). We started with a societal mission, now we are trying to sustain this idea by also looking for funding opportunities to monetise our enterprise.

As a startup, what have been the biggest challenges and how do you overcome them?

It has been quite difficult finding fundraising such as equity, because we are focused on a very niche market and it is hard to find investors who want to invest in this market. That’s the challenge we are facing, but we are so glad for the grants we have received, which have allowed us to come up with the initial product, test it, and then validate it to the related stakeholders, to the users and to the beneficiaries – the visually impaired people. So the grants have helped a lot, but we know that we cannot rely on them in the long run.

the most important thing is to keep going. While fundraising is not an easy process, me and my team are clear about the why – why we want to do what we do. That keeps us going. We face so many failures and rejections. At least this year we prove that we can keep going and keep achieving one at a time.

What do you hope to achieve with your application?

We have two goals, that is, creating an inclusive and data-driven city. First and foremost, our focus is to empower visually impaired communities and provide sidewalks that are comfortable for them to walk on. After that, the benefits will flow to the rest of the community. The thing is, the government doesn’t know which areas to provide proper pedestrian footpaths and also who will use it. They have created pedestrian paths sporadically, without the use of data. So, we at Tunemap, are trying to solve that problem by using the data that is collected by the pedestrians to promote walkability in the city. Places like Jakarta but specifically Bandung, still have that walking culture. That’s why we started in Bandung, because a lot of people are still walking. Even if one person walks, they can make up to 20-30 report which is a lot of data collected already.

Being a woman co-founder in this startup ecosystem, have you had any particular difficulties dealing with gender dynamics?

I’m grateful that I have a team that is very supportive. Our co-founder is also a woman and our tech team is led by a man, and he is fine being led by two women. As women, we try to prove that nothing is different in leading. There may be limited interaction between us and the investors so we don’t know yet the ecosystem in the investor landscape towards women founders, but internally we have no issues with that. We are contacting with the stakeholders are fine with that, they will also be challenged coming from it, we are trying to figure out how to tackle it. Because I am also married, my challenge is how to balance my role as a leader in this enterprise and my role as a wife. So the challenges as a woman founder, requires time and effort in the workplace, so the challenges is between balancing the role, for me so far so good. The most important thing is communicating with your partner, so that we can find a way. As women leaders I think we should not lower our expectations of what we can achieve just because we’re women.

Do you have an tips on leadership?

I’m not a natural leader – so I need to read widely and observe from other people. I think for women and people in general who think they are not able to lead, don’t feel down, because everyone can lead. Just try to figure out what your weaknesses are, focus on your strengths, and where should you improve. Don’t be afraid to ask for help – either from your co-founders, teammates, or friends and family. As women leaders, we should not lower our expectations of what we can achieve just because we are women.

Do you have any female role models?

Sheryl Sandberg, of course. Through her book I realized that women leaders do have their own challenges but it should not hinder them to become a leader. Apart from that, I learned how to compromise with our partner without having to lower expectations on our own career aspirations.

What do you love about your work?

Since I was a child, my parents would tell me that the most important thing in life is how you can impact other people. So those values have been instilled in me from a really early age, they are what keep me going everyday knowing that our application is making a difference.

 

[UPCOMING EVENT] IDX Startups #GoPublic

Ketika membangun startup, founder sudah harus memiliki rencana jangka panjang bagi bisnisnya. Salah salah hal yang harus direncanakan adalah exit strategy.
Exit strategy yang paling umum ditempuh yaitu merger and acquisition (M&A) dan Initial Public Offering (IPO). WhatsApp adalah contoh perusahaan global yang memilih jalur M&A, sementara Alibaba dan Facebook memutuskan untuk go IPO.
Di Indonesia sendiri, kita sudah mendengar beberapa startup teknologi diakuisisi oleh perusahaan lebih besar, seperti baru-baru ini Tiket.com oleh Blibli.com dan Midtrans oleh GO-JEK. Tahun lalu, Kioson dan MCash resmi mencatatkan saham perdana mereka di Bursa Efek Indonesia (BEI).
IPO yang dilakukan oleh kedua startup ini bisa dibilang sukses, dengan permintaan saham lumayan tinggi dari investor. Harga saham mereka pun naik jauh dari harga patok awal.
Apa saja hal yang harus dipersiapkan jika startup ingin go public? Bagaimana proses pencatatan saham perdana di BEI?
Bursa Efek Indonesia, Kresna Securities dan BLOCK71 Jakarta mengajak para founder startup untuk mengikuti sesi mengenai “Startups #GoPublic”. Adapun topik yang akan dibahas yaitu:

  • IPO Overview and Regulation oleh perwakilan BEI
  • Pre-IPO Process and Business Valuation for Startup Company oleh Octavianus Budiyanto, President Direktur Kresna Securities
  • Panel discussion tentang IPO success story, menghadirkan Martin Suharlie, CEO of MCash, perwakilan BEI dan Octavianus Budiyanto, President Director Kresna Securities. Panel discussion ini akan dimoderatori oleh Adrian Lim, Direktur BLOCK71 Jakarta

To RSVP, click HERE!

[RECAP] UNDP Indonesia, Government of Canada, ANGIN Roadshow: Lampung

 

ANGIN, together with UNDP Indonesia and the Government of Canada, just finished a 2-day workshop in Lampung (19/02 – 20/02) aimed at empowering social enterprises in the agricultural value chain. The event was also supported by Connector.ID, which provided full-day individual consulting session for those seeking external funding.

 

Opening remarks were given by Deputy Director of UNDP Indonesia, Francine Pickup, continued by Roadshow program introduction by Natalia Rialucky (Head of Impact Investing at ANGIN) and Valencia Dea (Principal of ANGIN), as well as Connector.ID introduction by Meredith Peng (Director of Connector.ID).

The main event began with an inspirational talk by Sabrina Mustopo, co-founder of Krakakoa, who shared the story of her chocolate company which aims to empower farmers by implementing a bean-to-bar concept, which helps farmers to capture higher value add and ultimately, larger amount of income.

 

 

During her session, Sabrina mentioned three key messages:

  • Network is crucial. Sabrina started with no access to farmers and limited knowledge on agriculture. All were overcame as she enlarged her network and actively asked questions to people
  • Fundraise more. Sabrina recommended to fundraise more than initial estimation as it will allow entrepreneurs to focus more on growing the business than tightening the budget due to capital limitation
  • Set a strong “Why”. Based on her experience, Sabrina reminded that social entrepreneurs’ journey will be filled with a lot of challenges that can break their spirit down, especially when no solid motivation is in place

 

After Sabrina’s talk show, the event was followed with three-series of workshops. ANGIN team led two workshops, Investment Readiness and Sustainability and Scalability; while UNDP Indonesia Technical Advisor of SDGs, Ansye Sopacua, filled in a workshop on Impact Measurement.

On the second day, ANGIN team and Connector.ID provided a series of one-on-one meetings with participants, with an aim to mainly support them on fundraising.

We were very happy to see more than 50 engaging entrepreneurs who do not come only from Lampung but also from other cities in Sumatera, Jakarta, Bogor, and Bandung. We would love to thank all the participants for their activeness and eagerness to learn. Wishing you all the best!

[RECAP] UNDP Indonesia, Government of Canada, ANGIN Roadshow: Manado

 

ANGIN team, together with the Government of Canada and the UNDP Indonesia organized a one-day roadshow in Manado last Thursday (22/02).

Exceeding our initial expectation, there were over 40 participants from a diverse set of business background; from tech enabler startup for commodity export-import, brick-and-mortar producers, to handicraft maker from agricultural waste.

 

The event was opened by UNDP Indonesia Technical Advisor for Innovative Financing, Ikhsan Modjo, followed by a welcoming remarks from Michella Irawan, a Manado-based Nexus Indonesia Leader, and an inspirational talk show with the founder of DuitHape, Sara Dhewanto. In her session, Sara shared her challenges and lesson learned in running her business as well as in fundraising. She reminded everyone that building networks is important, not only to gain knowledge, but also to have a bigger voice in enforcing certain agenda/ issue (Example is Fintech association). Sara also emphasized the importance of understanding potential investor before they enter your company; as each has different characteristic and not all is a fit for you.

 

 

Post talk show and lunch break, ANGIN team led two workshops. One was on Investment Readiness and the other was about Scalability and Sustainability.We were left impressed by the activeness of the crowd, especially during interactive game sessions! The event was continued by several one-on-one meetings, dinner, and networking session.

 

Our roadshow was supported by Connector.ID and ANGIN’s Women Spotlight. Director of Connector.ID, Meredith Peng, provided assistance for participants who were seeking external funding, Meanwhile, Samantha from ANGIN’s Women Spotlight conducted a series of interviews with several inspiring women entrepreneurs in Manado. Among them was an women empowerment initiative that aims to equip housewives with the knowledge to produce fish-based snacks; hence providing them with a source of income. Kindly look forward for their stories on our separate blog posts!

 

Metha Trisnawati: Co-founder of Sayurbox

Tell us a bit about yourself.

I’m Metha from Sayurbox which is an e-commerce platform distributing fresh, local produce and dry goods from local farmers and producers. Amanda [Susanti] and I have been doing Sayurbox since July 2016. I currently manage the operations of Sayurbox, which entails sourcing from the farmers and establishing relationships between them, managing the warehouse and logistics, and distribution of the produce.

How did you come into this partnership together?

Amanda is actually very passionate about farming. She had a farm initially, and worked together with the local farmers in the area. At the time, I had just finished my Masters degree, came back to Jakarta and met Amanda. She told me about this project she wanted to build, which sounded really exciting. So I got on board.

For a lot of urban people, living in cities means having access to all kinds of produce at the supermarket and not really having to think about where it comes from. Do you think there’s is a trend towards a renewed focus on local and seasonal produce?

We try to communicate those values to our customers. For example, we have farmer profiles on our website so the customer knows exactly where their food has come from. The response has been really good, people are really excited whenever we post on social media. This is what really excites us, to be able to reach more farmers to join our network, so we can serve more customers. People are really embracing this concept of farm-to-table fresh produce.

Having worked closely with these farmers, what are the sorts of challenges they are facing in this massive food value chain?

Logistics is one of the major challenges they are facing right now, because not many farmers have the access to it. That’s where we come in. We provide assistance with access to markets and help them manage logistics in order to distribute crops to the customers in the areas that we cover. In many farming communities, there are long supply chains which means farmers depend on parties like village traders. They have to sell their crops to the first traders to get the initial capital to grow their produce, then when harvest time comes around, they sell their produce to the first trader at the price that they’ve set. As a result, they are not able to set up a decent market for their families. We provide them with an option so that they don’t always have to sell to their first trader, instead they can sell to us for a fair price, and we can help distribute to the consumers and the market.

Have you experienced any major challenges in setting up Sayurbox?

Again, in terms of logistics, we have had to build the operational system by ourselves. Initially it was about approaching the farmers and building a relationship and gaining their trust. They were just used to selling their crops to village traders, so it was intimidating for them at first to see strangers coming into their village. Lots of the challenges that we face from the start is mostly the operational challenges, identifying how we can help these farmers and efficiently distribute their crops. It keeps us going though, knowing that there are a lot of opportunities to tackle these issues, and get as many farmers on board as possible.

And being two women founders, have face you faced any gender biases in your career?

Luckily not really. Everyone that we have met on our journey with Sayurbox have been really helpful. They don’t focus on the fact that we are two women, but there is definitely still that stigma of ‘Can you actually do this?’ Because as a woman in Indonesia, and in society more generally, there’s that idea that you need to have a family and do all these things by a certain age. I personally don’t have those kinds of issues. But they are still very much prevalent within society. At Sayurbox we really try to encourage women, in fact 80% of our team are women. We try to build a culture for women where we are supportive of each other. For example, if one of our women employees needs to take care of their children at home, they have the option of working from home. That way they can achieve that balance between work and family life.

What do you love most about the work you do?

For me, it’s the people I have met. Getting to meet the farmers has always been my favourite thing. Whenever we go for sourcing, I get to travel, learn how they grow their produce, talk with them about their life on the farm and the challenges that they are facing. It’s incredible to see their passion for growing food. The feeling you get when you talk to them – you can see their genuinity, and the love they put into growing their fruits and vegetables. They work very hard. We also employ mothers in our warehouse, who work for us during their free time to earn extra cash for their families. They pack, pick and check the quality of the produce. It’s a very satisfying feeling getting to work closely with different people.

What’s one piece of advice you would say to young women entrepreneurs?

Just do it. Don’t be afraid or be limited by the stigmas within society. Just have the courage to explore. I personally don’t have a background in farming or agriculture, but having met Amanda and seeing how passionate she is makes me want to learn more. There are always going to be challenges – just believe in yourself, try your best and you will go a long way.

 

Claire Quillet: CEO of Towards Sustainable Businesses (TSB)

ANGIN Women’s Spotlight series seeks to showcase a diverse array of inspiring women leaders and their stories and experiences in order to shed light on the unique experiences of women in business. We hope that both men and women can gain from these shared experiences, that these stories can inspire change, and that other young girls are motivated to become leaders as well.

Tell us a bit about yourself.

I’m Claire Quillet, a French citizen who lived almost 20 years in Indonesia, mother of 2, CEO of Towards Sustainable Businesses (TSB). TSB is a consultancy agency supporting mainly private sector to design, implement, monitor and evaluate development program and/or corporate social responsibility (CSR) programs. Our main area of expertise is WASH (water, sanitation and hygiene), as well as education and environment. Our aim is to ensure that employees and surrounding communities will universally have access to WASH and therefore to a better health, as well as creating positive impact to the company’s business.

You’ve been in Indonesia for almost 20 years. What made you want to stay for so long?

You know, I arrived on a two-months contract – it always starts that way. I came as an emergency specialist, working for an emergency NGO. I came in 1999 during the Maluku crisis, so I was based in a tiny island in Maluku, providing displaced people with water and sanitation, foods and health care. In terms of natural disasters, it has been non-stop in Indonesia since 1999. From the crisis in Timor, to the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami, with earthquakes in Yogyakarta, Padang, Alor or Nabire – for a WASH emergency specialist, this was the place to be. I stayed for work, by helping people in need. That’s the first reason.

Also moving from one island to another, is almost like working in different countries. Food, people, religion are different, only the language, nicely, remains the same. It’s so diverse that you don’t feel tired to be here.

Unfortunately, up to now, needs still exist for a lot of Indonesian people. You know, more than 30 million Indonesians do not have access to a toilet which causes water borne diseases (diarrhea, for instance) that kills almost 140.000 children under the age of 5 years every year in this country. So, there is still more to be done.

Have you had many difficulties during your career and how did you overcome them?

Of course. Different challenges at different times.

In the NGO sector, the objective is to reach the most vulnerable in the communities. The challenge will then to be in the field and have enough means and money to deliver programs.

I have been working for UNICEF for 8 years. The challenge was different. WASH is unique because you are dealing with several ministries including the minister for health, education, environment, Bappenas, etc. So, collaboration and coordination are crucial to achieve goals for a vast country like Indonesia. Bureaucracy can slow down the progress. But, improving regulations or changing policies take time. You must keep your motivation up and be patient.

Moving to the private sector and creating my own company was another challenge. First, actually creating it. I was lucky to find an Indonesian angel investor who believed in my idea. TSB provides unique services for multinational and Indonesian companies in the domain of sustainable CSR programs. But, CSR as a business model is not yet understood by most of the private sector. Our work is then challenging but also very exciting.

As a female founder, have you had any challenges in Indonesia?

Not at all. I think Indonesian people are very respectful. Especially being a female and an expatriate, they will esteem you a lot. They are eager to learn. Whatever they learn from you, then they will do ala Indonesia. Sometimes it might not be what you wanted, but that’s their way of doing it. You don’t want to be an expat bombarding them with how you do it in your country – because it’s their country. For me, being a woman is really a blessing.

How so?

I’ve always worked in a predominantly male environment. Indeed, WASH is technical, and few women choose this sector. With most of the men I met in my work, there is no ego game when they deal with a woman. Maybe because we also have a way to pass on the message. We are more patient. At the end of the day, the outcome is the same, but we do it in a different way.

The positive part of living in Indonesia for 20 years, is that they see you as somebody who has the international experience but also someone who is here for the long run. You know the culture, you know the language, and the how the people work. I speak Indonesian to my clients rather than English, and they respect that. Indonesians are very patriotic. Even if you don’t speak very well, as long as you try, they understand that you’re making the effort. Here, if you start to make a good relationship with someone, it is forever. The people I know in the government and in business, I have known for the last 10 years. Even when they move companies, you still have their contact details, and they will still help you.

In your work, have you ever seen a gender gap, in the population in general, problems to do with gender or equitable distribution?

Working for NGOs over the past years, we listen to the voice of the women in a different way, because their needs are not the same as their male counterparts. So, yes you have gender inequality. Unlike in the Western world, the issues of gender equality here are not just about equal pay and domestic violence, but women are still finding their place within society. You will see women who stay at home, some work for small salaries, and have many kids but won’t always have access to family planning. Not only that, but the geographical inequalities are also present. You can see the difference between Jakarta and the more Eastern islands like Papua. Women’s empowerment initiatives exist, but we are still far away from reaching gender equality.

Can you talk about one woman who has impacted your life?

I do not have a role model. But there are some Indonesian women I really admire, for example Ibu Tiur. She is the head of Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil (RSPO) and used to be the head Indonesia Business Council for Sustainable Development (IBCSD). She’s amazing – she has the knowledge, motivation and the drive, it’s inside her. Even though she’s a busy person, she will take the time to talk with you, to see how she can help with your business, or even just talking in general. She has an incredible network and aura that everybody sees. It’s not about money or power for her. She is amazing for her country.

You are also a mother, right?

Yes, I have 2 kids, one boy and one girl.

You would hope to see them grow up in a world where things are better and both of them can grow up to be on equal footing. How do you instill those values in both your kids? What do you hope to see for them in the future?

For me, that lies in education. They have to understand where they come from. They have their father here, but also have roots in France. When they were young, I bought them a globe to open their minds up to the world. It’s about discussing the problems that they face, and having that daily discussion with them where nothing is taboo. I also talk a lot about my work, so they know what I am doing, and that I have worked in different parts of the world. Just showing them by example is opening their mind up a lot. Whatever they want to do in terms of work, it’s up to them. Just do it with the sense of human to human.

It’s scary to have kids at this time. If I was a young woman now I would ask myself if I want to have kids because I can see where the world is going, in terms of the environment, the growth of internet and consumption. Adjusting to this as a mother is challenging, but I always keep positive.

That’s why I am doing what I am doing. Engaging private sector to see business differently, to leave a better world for the future generation. CSR is not philanthropy. CSR program should impact the company’s business – whether it’s for their reputation or brand development and serve the community needs. A sustainable program, that will develop the company business and the community, need a thorough design. It is crucial to conduct robust preliminary study within the community to understand the context, their needs, as well as their aspirations. It’s not about what you want to give them. It is a human to human experience.

 

[RECAP] Welcoming the Future: AI in Your Business Seminar

 

ANGIN team attended the Welcoming the Future: AI in Your Business seminar on the 20th of February, hosted by UnionSPACE, to gain an insight into the future of how Artificial Intelligence will integrate into businesses in the near coming future. The talks were led by Reynir Fauzan, Co-founder & CMO of Kata.ai and Yugie Nugraha, the Project Lead at Rinna-Microsoft AI & Research and facilitated by an Indonesia Entrepreneur Center (IDEC) team member.

The findings presented were quite interesting, with there being a general consensus that chatbots will be a common business solution, as the future of humans and technology is conversational. The technological economy has thus shifted from an app focus in the mid-to-late 2000s to an intelligence economy. It was also highlighted that for chatbots and similar technology to thrive there are four pillars which must be acknowledged which are support, marketing, commerce and intelligence.

We look forward to the evolution of AI technology as we believe intently that this will be an important tool for entrepreneurs in the future Indonesian startup landscape and will help contribute to more exciting advancements.